306GTI-6 gearbox in my 16V

soupapes · Post by **soupapes** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:53 am

mechuccio wrote:Yes, the right turn is a bit less, but for the past year I've had maybe 3 moments where I had to put it back in reverse to make a very narrow turn.
About the clutch levers, just fit the one thats in the old 5-speeder into the 6 speeder and no problems there anymore.
Also You'll need to replace one of the gearlevers on the box since it has a slightly different angle.

All in all its not so much more work than replacing a clutch, but in my experience the 6-speed box just fits so much better to the characteristics of the D6C engine than the 5-speed box.

Interesting project, but how did you solve this problem?

And about the problem with the right turn, isn't there any way of limiting the tire turn angle?

surjit25 · Post by **surjit25** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:01 am

Isn't the 5th n 6th gear cover touching the anti-roll bar?

mechuccio · Post by **mechuccio** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:29 pm

soupapes wrote:

Interesting project, but how did you solve this problem?

Well, that wasn't to hard, I just sawed of a little piece of that rod and it hasn't touched the gearbox since

soupapes wrote: And about the problem with the right turn, isn't there any way of limiting the tire turn angle?

Yes there is actually, and its quite simple too:

I don't know if they accept that in the UK for the MOT but here in holland It's okay like that, as long as the weel isn't touching anything, and this little piece of alloy stops the steering cilinder just before the tire would touch the gearbox

mechuccio · Post by **mechuccio** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:07 pm

surjit25 wrote:Isn't the 5th n 6th gear cover touching the anti-roll bar?

Well, not anymore, I just fixed that.

I have a question for you, according to your profile, you live in Kuala Lumpur.
One of my friends from Holland moved there, and got married to a Maleisian girl. But his other love (a DSpeciale 21) is still back in Holland.
He had the idea to import it to Maleisia but is a bit scared of not being able to get parts and hydraulic fluids over there.
Since You have (had) a DS, and a BX as well, can you tell me how things are there concerning the purchasing of parts and all that.
Also, how about buying one of those cars over there, is that possible? or are they very VERY rare.
And a last question, since its very hot, you'll probably have an airco installed, what are the costs to build an after-market system in?

thanks!

surjit25 · Post by **surjit25** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:44 am

Mechuccio, There are a few Dutchman living here.
One is by the name of Arnout who I communicate with often.
He has a CXPrestige and a Picasso in Malaysia and a 2CV and Ami in
Holland.
And yes I think I know yr friend ,his name is Erik Huybregts.
He called me enquiring about importing his DS into the country.
Buying one here is almost impossible as they are scarce barely
10 on the road.
And we have airconditioning fitted here.
Cost should be about 500-600 quid.
Parts for DS are virtually non available but I make do
with hydraulic parts from CX,BX and Xantia.
Spheres ,I have the refilling machine, LHM is readily available
as there are many,BX,XM and Xantia's on the road.
Engine parts some I have but they are the same as CX 2200,2400
Body parts order from Europe.
For further pics do look at www. dsinasia and you can see some
of my pics there.

surjit25 · Post by **surjit25** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:54 am

Looking at that pic of the steering rack, there is so much
muck and grease there, don't you guys ever wash the engine bay.
Mine is spotless ,which I wash regularly myself top, bottom
and every nook and cranny I can find.

djoptix · Post by **djoptix** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:23 pm

Then yours will soon go rusty

surjit25 · Post by **surjit25** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:28 pm

Nope, knowing a BX somewhere a pipe will give way spilling LHM everywhere and lubricating everything.
We here have sunny days thyroughout the year, we are practically
at the equator ,no snow ,so no salt on the roads to make yr car rust.
Tropical climate but very humid., you sweat a lot here.

mechuccio · Post by **mechuccio** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:36 pm

surjit25 wrote:Mechuccio, There are a few Dutchman living here.
One is by the name of Arnout who I communicate with often.
He has a CXPrestige and a Picasso in Malaysia and a 2CV and Ami in
Holland.
And yes I think I know yr friend ,his name is Erik Huybregts.
He called me enquiring about importing his DS into the country.
Buying one here is almost impossible as they are scarce barely
10 on the road.
And we have airconditioning fitted here.
Cost should be about 500-600 quid.
Parts for DS are virtually non available but I make do
with hydraulic parts from CX,BX and Xantia.
Spheres ,I have the refilling machine, LHM is readily available
as there are many,BX,XM and Xantia's on the road.
Engine parts some I have but they are the same as CX 2200,2400
Body parts order from Europe.
For further pics do look at www. dsinasia and you can see some
of my pics there.

It is indeed an incredibly small world out there

Eric Huybregts is the friend I was talking about! amazing

Well, then I don't need to bring you guys in contact with each other!
About my car being very dirty, I know I know, but I bought with allmost 300K km's experience so you can imagine all the dirt the car collected. When working on it I clean the parts that are easily reachable but mostly I'm just working to get the mechanics done, put it together and enjoy driving. But my old 5 speeder was very VERY dirty so its quite nice to see that nice and shiny 6speeder attached to my engine.
On the other hand, with the mostly not so good weather, with the snow and the salt I don't really mind some oily dirt to prevent my car form rusting

surjit25 · Post by **surjit25** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:37 am

Small world, really small world.
I haven't met him personally just spoke over the
phone but will go down to see him in weeks to come.
He stays in a northern state 250 miles up north.

badlyworntoy · Post by **badlyworntoy** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:58 pm

mechuccio hi mate im ian
ive muddled through much of this conversion blind until i found your thread.....Its seems as though your definatly the oricle on this swap!

would you mind expalining to me how the hell you got the reverse cable to work everything else has been relativly staight forward

cheers mate

mechuccio · Post by **mechuccio** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:47 pm

Hi mate,

I've made a terrible simple solution for this.
With some wire I just connected the cable to my gearstick so it has to be lifted.
I think a picture will explain mor, I'll make one this afternoon.
I've been fiddeling with a lock-system for about 6 months (constantly jamming my gearbox in reverse when trying to find 6th

)
I've tried to modify the original reverse lock system as used with the BE1 boxes but did not succeed in that.

But well, I'll post the pic to make things clear

mechuccio · Post by **mechuccio** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 2:51 pm

There you go mate:

(click for a lager picture)

Hope this clears it up a bit.
It looks unbelivably cheap (and it is!) but it has been like this for allmost two years now. If you need more (detailed) pics then let me know.
I'm at work right now so this is the best I can do at this moment but free time is coming up

badlyworntoy · Post by **badlyworntoy** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:45 pm

hang on you keep going from 5 to reverse

won't that cause terminal cogswapper failure?to the point where its going to spit cogs out of casings.
Ive got a selector and stick from a BE1 309 im looking at retro fitting that to the bx it dosnt look to far off either that or im going to knock something up on the laithe with the bx selector,although i think the cable is still going to be too short
Think you need to do something quick mate before you kill yourself

keep it up dude

mechuccio · Post by **mechuccio** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:56 pm

Oh no, it's not like that mate

but in the beginning when I just had my 6-speeder installed (but not yet the cable), when shifting from 5th to 6th sometimes I would push the stick a bit too much to the right and as such allmost pushing it in reverse, after about 6 months I got tired of that (also they did not really like it when I got my first MOT with the 6-speeder) and then I installed the cable as it is now, it has been working properly ever since.

But as shown in my picture the length of the cable is just fine.
I've had the original stick of the 306 where this gearbox came off as well but there was no way to install it in a neat way so I came up with this.
The cable is somewhat strapped to the handbrake cables and the outercable (not sure if I got the right word there) is attached to the metal part of the stick with a hose-clamp(again, not sure what's the official name) and the inner cable is attached to the plastic part of the stick which has to be pulled up to shift to reverse. This has been a good solution for the past 2 years and some 60.000KM's also it doesn't look as if it's going to break any time soon.

But sh*t man, my not so good technical english (or dunglish) and this picture might just not tell exactly what I want to tell you

I'll post some better and more detailed photo's soon so you can have a better look!

cheers

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