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i think you may want to sign this??

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:( :( The government are now trying to ban cars over 10 years old :shock: :roll:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Classic-Cars/
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absolute load of cobblers spread by anti-Europeans, but doesn't do any harm to make views felt just in case some bright spark thinks 'blimey, why didn't we think of that!' :roll:

As many will know I work in the Department for Transport, primarily on vehicle primary safety at the moment, and whilst the auto industry would like everyone to go out and buy new cars more frequently than every 10 years there's nothing I'm aware of suggesting this might happen.

The only place that could potentially limit the use of older cars is London as the mayor can pretty much do what he wants with the 'congestion charge'.

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iirc in Ireland they havea siumilar system where owners of cars over 10 years old are offered grants towards the scrapping of the car and to be put towards a new car in a bid to keep older 'more dangerous' cars of the road!

Adrian summed it up pretty spot on imo!
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what a joke older more dangerous ! i feel safer in the zx than i do in alot of the shoe boxes on wheels that are brand new !
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In Ireland it's a good idea offering incentives, given that until quite recently there was no requirement for an annual inspection (one of the arguements against introducing it was that all the little old ladies who ran their cars to the post office and shops once a week would be disadvantaged having to keep their vehicle roadworthy!!)

The carrot approach has some merit....

What I would say on vehicle secondary safety (what happens when you crash it!) is that nearly any older vehicle will come off significantly worse than a new-ish vehicle, even if it's from a smaller class. I won't go into details on the BX again as we've had a topic on that before.

Since the ZX has been mentioned I'll use that as an example :D As we know, it platform shares with the 306 HOWEVER the detail construction is significantly different enough that the ZX generally comes off worse than a 306 in a given accident scenario (there's a good reason that ZXs are generally several insurance groups higher than equiv. 306). If you were unfortunate enough to hit say a new shape Renault Clio, the Clio driver will be the one most likely to be walking away from the accident without injury.

Part of the price we pay from progress on modern vehicles is that they're getting bigger (hence Clio isn't actually much smaller than the ZX which would generally be considered to be in the same class as the Focus), heavier and most critically stiffer. Good for occupant safety of the stiffer vehicle, but leads to compatibility issues with whatever you're hitting, particularly if it's an older vehicle.

I've got some photos at home of old Renault models dating back to the 60's through to the current Megane which were all crashed to the same Euro NCAP test procedure - trust me, things have moved on a hell of a lot in a relatively short space of time! I'll post them up when I get home. I witnessed their 10,000th crash test late last year - to get to 5,000 took from 1973 (when their centre was built) to the late-1990's. The second 5,000 took less than 10 years!

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Adrian E wrote:
The only place that could potentially limit the use of older cars is London as the mayor can pretty much do what he wants with the 'congestion charge'.

Adrian :D

He is very clever in manipulating minions, claiming that London needs cleaning up, but maximises the number of commuters are locked into his database in their daily slog into the capital.
Six years ago he could have reduced the total number by nearly a third, simply providing incentives to city companies to provide communication channels for non vital staffing (employees that do their work by phone/letter or email). But the potential coffers were too strong.
The Americans are now selling their building now Livingston has 'circled the wagons'. The sooner people realise Ken listens only to his own bank account, the sooner London will become liveable again.

Besides, I have it on good authority the minister behind this idea has some of his fingers in a rather lucrative car manufacturer.
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