Gone are the days of picking up a sh*tter for £50 or even free. Seems that the 16v is at last starting to attract bigger price tags; whether these bigger price tags are deserved is another matter
My spies are everywhere and a friend passed me the phone number spotted on a grey P2. Spoke to the owner this morning and he would like £400 for his low mileage H plate. It appears that the car has been off the road for at least a couple of months and has no tax or MOT (on SORN I was told).
Now is £400 a good price for a 16v without Tax and MOT. Possibly.
If it has minor faults - leccy windows not working, usual slight bumper damage etc is it still worth £400? Maybe.
What if the head gasket has failed?
So how much is a 16v worth?
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Jezziebx16v
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Has been said that a running Bx16v should be worth £500 for its engine,loom,afm and gearbox to the wrong sort of person.
So something with MOT surely must be worth £600+ but cars allways seem to come up for sale for much less than this price whether or not this is down to owners needing a quick sale or they just don't know the value of the car
. When cheap cars come up just have to hope that they fall into the right hands 
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Jez
So something with MOT surely must be worth £600+ but cars allways seem to come up for sale for much less than this price whether or not this is down to owners needing a quick sale or they just don't know the value of the car
. When cheap cars come up just have to hope that they fall into the right hands .Jez
Past 16v's: 89 Ph1 Black, 90 Ph2 Grey, 89 Ph2 Black, 91 Ph2 Grey, 91 Ph2 Black.
Now. 94 Datsun Silvia S14 rice rocket, 85 Peugeot 505 Turbo, 77 Ford Capri.
Now. 94 Datsun Silvia S14 rice rocket, 85 Peugeot 505 Turbo, 77 Ford Capri.
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Timmo
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as jezzie said, the engine and gear is worth 500 of any puggers money as long as its working! so that should be the minimum starting price imo!
as long as its in tidy nic and has all the bits and only needs minor jobs then its worth anything from the £500 mark + !!!! mot always helps though loL!
kitch's example is in good tidy nic with years mot and a replacement engine in good working order so fetches the higher money! but is no reason why a perfectly good solid clean and tidy one cant be in the high 800-1000 mark!
as long as its in tidy nic and has all the bits and only needs minor jobs then its worth anything from the £500 mark + !!!! mot always helps though loL!
kitch's example is in good tidy nic with years mot and a replacement engine in good working order so fetches the higher money! but is no reason why a perfectly good solid clean and tidy one cant be in the high 800-1000 mark!
Timmo 
After all i am the Cornish one!
Its Because its French!
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After all i am the Cornish one!
Its Because its French!
Bx16v club - Sharing the love for the unloved!
I think prices are more controlled by sellers rather than buyers with these cars or any car, French or otherwise for that matter.
I've seen 2 sold here recently; one for A$5500 and a better one for $2650. Reason for the price difference was that one wanted to sell when a buyer came up whilst the other wanted to sell and thought the car should sell within the first 5 minutes and when it didn't he panicked.
My car has an Insurance (inspected by them) value of A$10,000 but if I sold I reckon it would pull $8000.
As someone who managed car dealerships for a while, I tend to see traps that the average owner doesn't when selling.
Firstly; a Citroen in Australia is sold to about 2% of the population IIRC and until recently this has been at times under 1%. Translated across to the used car market, this means (out here anyway) that at best 1 - 2 people per 100 would consider a Citroen. Deduct from this in our case, the horror stores of repairers ripping people off on repairs and you possibly reduce the market for a used Cit by at least 50% again. Now from what's left, you need to find the ones looking for a used car at the time and again, the % comes into it; how many people buy say one car a year? It's below .1% I would suggest, so by doing the sums, you see the chances of finding a buyer immediately. It rarely happens, so it needs to be presented and marketed correctly. To do it, think as a buyer would; if someone advertises a car at scrap metal price, what do you expect? A pile of scrap metal.
If however, you see a car advertised at a premium price, what do you expect? A good car.
The result is that the expensive car seller will get an offer, providing the car is presented correctly, that more truly represents what the car is actually worth and will get far more genuine buyers than the guy advertising the scrap metal valued one. The scrap metal priced car will attract "bargain hunters" who will still talk the price down as well as cannibals. Owners constantly talking the values down does nobody any good and advertsing on sites such as this one whilst havuing the advantage of putting it in a position where someone looking for that type of car may find it, in reality, most here already have at least one but may know someone who is looking for one, so they need to be exposed to the open market and if need be, buyers referred to the site for greater details of the vehicle along with linked photos if possible.
Bit of a rant I know, but hopefully may be some help to those buying and selling. The advice is hard won as the guy I worked for sold out, invested the money and retired at the ripe old age of 34, so we must have been doing something right and I don't think buyers are all that much different on both sides of the pond.
Alan S
I've seen 2 sold here recently; one for A$5500 and a better one for $2650. Reason for the price difference was that one wanted to sell when a buyer came up whilst the other wanted to sell and thought the car should sell within the first 5 minutes and when it didn't he panicked.
My car has an Insurance (inspected by them) value of A$10,000 but if I sold I reckon it would pull $8000.
As someone who managed car dealerships for a while, I tend to see traps that the average owner doesn't when selling.
Firstly; a Citroen in Australia is sold to about 2% of the population IIRC and until recently this has been at times under 1%. Translated across to the used car market, this means (out here anyway) that at best 1 - 2 people per 100 would consider a Citroen. Deduct from this in our case, the horror stores of repairers ripping people off on repairs and you possibly reduce the market for a used Cit by at least 50% again. Now from what's left, you need to find the ones looking for a used car at the time and again, the % comes into it; how many people buy say one car a year? It's below .1% I would suggest, so by doing the sums, you see the chances of finding a buyer immediately. It rarely happens, so it needs to be presented and marketed correctly. To do it, think as a buyer would; if someone advertises a car at scrap metal price, what do you expect? A pile of scrap metal.
If however, you see a car advertised at a premium price, what do you expect? A good car.
The result is that the expensive car seller will get an offer, providing the car is presented correctly, that more truly represents what the car is actually worth and will get far more genuine buyers than the guy advertising the scrap metal valued one. The scrap metal priced car will attract "bargain hunters" who will still talk the price down as well as cannibals. Owners constantly talking the values down does nobody any good and advertsing on sites such as this one whilst havuing the advantage of putting it in a position where someone looking for that type of car may find it, in reality, most here already have at least one but may know someone who is looking for one, so they need to be exposed to the open market and if need be, buyers referred to the site for greater details of the vehicle along with linked photos if possible.
Bit of a rant I know, but hopefully may be some help to those buying and selling. The advice is hard won as the guy I worked for sold out, invested the money and retired at the ripe old age of 34, so we must have been doing something right and I don't think buyers are all that much different on both sides of the pond.
Alan S
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robin hughes
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Mines worth £500 but to be £5000! Its not for sale though
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Alan S wrote
Well done Kitch on the sale
Blimey Alan thats some postI think prices are more controlled by sellers rather than buyers with these cars or any car, French or otherwise for that matter.
I've seen 2 sold here recently; one for A$5500 and a better one for $2650. Reason for the price difference was that one wanted to sell when a buyer came up whilst the other wanted to sell and thought the car should sell within the first 5 minutes and when it didn't he panicked.
My car has an Insurance (inspected by them) value of A$10,000 but if I sold I reckon it would pull $8000.
As someone who managed car dealerships for a while, I tend to see traps that the average owner doesn't when selling.
Firstly; a Citroen in Australia is sold to about 2% of the population IIRC and until recently this has been at times under 1%. Translated across to the used car market, this means (out here anyway) that at best 1 - 2 people per 100 would consider a Citroen. Deduct from this in our case, the horror stores of repairers ripping people off on repairs and you possibly reduce the market for a used Cit by at least 50% again. Now from what's left, you need to find the ones looking for a used car at the time and again, the % comes into it; how many people buy say one car a year? It's below .1% I would suggest, so by doing the sums, you see the chances of finding a buyer immediately. It rarely happens, so it needs to be presented and marketed correctly. To do it, think as a buyer would; if someone advertises a car at scrap metal price, what do you expect? A pile of scrap metal.
If however, you see a car advertised at a premium price, what do you expect? A good car.
The result is that the expensive car seller will get an offer, providing the car is presented correctly, that more truly represents what the car is actually worth and will get far more genuine buyers than the guy advertising the scrap metal valued one. The scrap metal priced car will attract "bargain hunters" who will still talk the price down as well as cannibals. Owners constantly talking the values down does nobody any good and advertsing on sites such as this one whilst havuing the advantage of putting it in a position where someone looking for that type of car may find it, in reality, most here already have at least one but may know someone who is looking for one, so they need to be exposed to the open market and if need be, buyers referred to the site for greater details of the vehicle along with linked photos if possible.
Bit of a rant I know, but hopefully may be some help to those buying and selling. The advice is hard won as the guy I worked for sold out, invested the money and retired at the ripe old age of 34, so we must have been doing something right and I don't think buyers are all that much different on both sides of the pond.
Well done Kitch on the sale
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