V6 in BX?
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The 1,9 diesel clutch is only 200mm.ed_straker wrote:What about a Turbodiesel clutch?! Doesn't the Berlingo one even fit?!
2,1 TD from XM etc. have 235mm and dont fit into original flywheel.
The 2,1TD has same diameter and gearbox as TCT and V6, and thos have ME5T gearbox. Im not really sure if that flywheel fits into BE3 gearbox.
Believe me, I have been looking around a lot for a cheap upgrade but still no good result. I had some ideas of taking flywheel, clutch and gearbox from V6 or TCT, but im not sure the box will fit the body. But im sure gonna try, i have a lot of parts and a lot of time
The easiest way is to buy a upgraded clutch that fits straight on, but it costs 3 times more than standard clutches
Like Dagger said, 235mm flywheel wont fit BE3 bell-housing, You need to take ME5T's bell-house and mount it to BE3 gearbox in order to keep BE3 and fit 235mm clutch.
I'm not 100% sure it will fit, I'll let You know when I'll experiment with mine.
But retaining smaller flywheel is a bonus, less rotational mass.
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Ziga
I'm not 100% sure it will fit, I'll let You know when I'll experiment with mine.
But retaining smaller flywheel is a bonus, less rotational mass.
Cheers
Ziga
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if the 205's engine bay is bigger than the bx then why do they run a re angled manifold and a shortened inlet for clearence????
surely if it were bigger than the bx's then they wouldnt have any issues?????????
surely if it were bigger than the bx's then they wouldnt have any issues?????????
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Well You are right about the front part, but check how much clearance they have a the back.
There is a topic about V6 conversion into 205, but as I wasn't interested in conversion myself I only briefly checked the progress. You can check how they did it, but I believe BX has pretty small engine room comparing other cars in expence for larger boot and passenger compartment.
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Ziga
There is a topic about V6 conversion into 205, but as I wasn't interested in conversion myself I only briefly checked the progress. You can check how they did it, but I believe BX has pretty small engine room comparing other cars in expence for larger boot and passenger compartment.
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thats a 309 ziga! they have a larger engine bay than the 205!!
the 205 to run the std exhaust mani needs either the bulkhead modified with a large hammer to stop it fouling or an angled spacer plate to clear it! and the inlet tucks tight under the slam panel / crossmember if using the std one!
the 309 bay is deeper (front to baulkhead), i remember comparing them when my bro had his 205 and we both also had 309's!
the 205 to run the std exhaust mani needs either the bulkhead modified with a large hammer to stop it fouling or an angled spacer plate to clear it! and the inlet tucks tight under the slam panel / crossmember if using the std one!
the 309 bay is deeper (front to baulkhead), i remember comparing them when my bro had his 205 and we both also had 309's!
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Oh, my bad then, didn't know 205 and 309 engine bays differ.
Here are couple of topics about 205 V6
This one is actually twin v6
http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.ph ... &hl=v6+205
I can't find that topic about Hilgie's 205 V6
Here is a pic of V6 engine in 205 shell:
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Ziga
Here are couple of topics about 205 V6
http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.ph ... 20205&st=0the engine had to be removed if the sparkplugs ever need changing
This one is actually twin v6
http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.ph ... &hl=v6+205
I can't find that topic about Hilgie's 205 V6
Here is a pic of V6 engine in 205 shell:
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the lump is tighter than a gnats arse int he 205 bay!! you can see that the slam panel has been cut ot get the lump in yet on the 309 it fits intact! iirc the 309 bay is an inch deeper and wider than the 205's??
there was a copnversion done in france to a sorento green 205 gti and it looked the nuts! until it got wrapped around a tree! max power here did a feature on a pair of 205 v6's too! but i cant find hte link to the page on the forum it was on!!!
the lump is tighter than a gnats arse int he 205 bay!! you can see that the slam panel has been cut ot get the lump in yet on the 309 it fits intact! iirc the 309 bay is an inch deeper and wider than the 205's??
there was a copnversion done in france to a sorento green 205 gti and it looked the nuts! until it got wrapped around a tree! max power here did a feature on a pair of 205 v6's too! but i cant find hte link to the page on the forum it was on!!!
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engine bays
I could be missing something here but is not the question "will a V6 fit in the BX?"
The actual room in the engine bay depends largely on the positioning of the engine and yes the 205 struggles to accomodate the mu lump without mods but that is largely due to the engine position an dthe position of th eradiator and slam panel etc not he lack of space in the engine bay.
You have to remeber taht when fitting an mi into a 205 that the engie position is relatively unchanged hence why the manifolds need modifying - I strongly suspect if you repositioned the subframe that there would be no work needed on the manifolds - the 205 bay is small but you will find that the BX bnay is just as tight if not tighter due to the actual mounting position of the engine.
Of course anything is possible if oyu really want to do it but is a V6 BX really worth the time an deffort?
Cheers
Luke
The actual room in the engine bay depends largely on the positioning of the engine and yes the 205 struggles to accomodate the mu lump without mods but that is largely due to the engine position an dthe position of th eradiator and slam panel etc not he lack of space in the engine bay.
You have to remeber taht when fitting an mi into a 205 that the engie position is relatively unchanged hence why the manifolds need modifying - I strongly suspect if you repositioned the subframe that there would be no work needed on the manifolds - the 205 bay is small but you will find that the BX bnay is just as tight if not tighter due to the actual mounting position of the engine.
Of course anything is possible if oyu really want to do it but is a V6 BX really worth the time an deffort?
Cheers
Luke
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Probabely Hilgert is reading this topic too
His car still is not roadgoing as it needs to be tested.
A 205engine bay is definatly bigger because the 309 PTS exhaustmanifold will fit, but in the BX it DOESN'T, I've tried! The stabilisatorbar is too high positioned.
Also the 205 doesn't need the LHM-system.
His car still is not roadgoing as it needs to be tested.
A 205engine bay is definatly bigger because the 309 PTS exhaustmanifold will fit, but in the BX it DOESN'T, I've tried! The stabilisatorbar is too high positioned.
Also the 205 doesn't need the LHM-system.
It just does not fit. The only gearbox that fits the ES9J4 is the ML5T gearbox. I have tried the BE one. Been there done thatMandic wrote:Like Dagger said, 235mm flywheel wont fit BE3 bell-housing, You need to take ME5T's bell-house and mount it to BE3 gearbox in order to keep BE3 and fit 235mm clutch.
I'm not 100% sure it will fit, I'll let You know when I'll experiment with mine.
You guys can see the whole build on here:
http://www.205v6.com/
And a small vid of the first run:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhnLYaSG9uQ
Just use the whole engine+gearbox from the donor car. Shorten the driveshafts, convert the clutch to hydrolic and the gearcontrols to cable operated and away you are
Also the french 205V6 still exists (owned by Denis) but the english 205V6 (build by Pugclinic) was crashed into a lamppost.
The 309 Goodwood V6 above is owned by Graeme Jeram from Scotland.
There is also a Citroen ZX V6 in the UK. I got pics for those interested. Just add me on MSN.
If you have any further questions after looking through the gallery, feel free to email or chat to me on MSN.
Hilgert